Banzai Joe wrote:Dude, newspapers are full of BS, but you aint gonna watch 6pm news talking about a mugging that simply 'didn't' happen!
That's not what I meant.
Banzai Joe wrote:Doesn't matter if its the media that report it, it still happens, more so now than at any other time in society, i'm sure most would agree with that.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. You're talking 'serious' encounters. That's a different kettle of fish. They happen, of course. But these examples of being 'picked' on or verbally abused - they can't be compared to being mugged or raped or whatever at knife or gun point.
Banzai Joe wrote:But i'll be damned if whenever i see a dodgy looking character walking towards me that i'll cross the street 'just to be sure and safe'.
Nor do I, and again, that is not what I was talking about. It just doesn't happen or never has happened to me. I've never really felt the need to have to cross the street 'just to be sure and safe'. What I am trying to put across clearly isn't coming out the way I'm intending. I don't deliberately go out of my way to avoid said situation, but I don't seem to ever put myself in said situation in the first place. Again that won't make sense I guess, but I know what I mean!
Banzai Joe wrote:I too will reiterate... I will not give up my possessions to someone who demands them unless i have proof that my life is in danger (ie. he is armed and looks like he'll use it).
I don't disagree, what I was originally saying about this was that you cannot be positive that he isn't carrying a concealed weapon. So you'd rather risk a 50/50 chance your life will be taken over a few lousy quid in your wallet? Just doesn't make sense, least not to me anyway.
Banzai Joe wrote:Let me ask this, Larn posted about his gay friend who seems to be robbed almost weekly. If that happened to you, how many times would you have to be robbed before you said "f*ck this, i'm not putting up with this sh*t anymore!" and decided to react the next time it happened.
I missed the post in question, I'll go re-read in a minute. But firstly, I would ask Larn where these attacks have happened and under what circumstances. Where these attacks on him whilst he was walking down a street? Or was he somewhere else?
EDIT: Just read it...
Larny Boy wrote:Quite a few of the feminine men at work have been mugged on their way home from a late shift and one in particular seemed to get robbed on a weekly basis at one point.
Harsh. But as I say, would like to know where these muggings took place. Out in the open? On a main street? In front of people? If thats the case, then clearly England isn't how I had perceived it in a past comment in this post. Still, I have not ever experienced or heard of from friends/family such as the above.
Though what does 'seemed' mean?
Banzai Joe wrote:Or would you just let yourself be bitched by every mugger around?
Getting quite sick and tired of you insisting that my viewpoint on avoiding violence being directed at me in a tone that suggests I'm some pansy or wuss. I'm not. Just because I tend to avoid violence whilst you would clearly choose to embrace it, does not mean I am either of them.
Banzai Joe wrote:Another hypothetical question. If you're in your local pub, drinking with loads of friends, and the usual drunken idiot IS looking for trouble. He says "you spilled my pint!" (i've actually had this happen to me, so it does happen). He's clearly after trouble, so he won't accept any reasoning from you. Do you A) buy him another pint, B) tell him to shove it C) leave YOUR local pub, and have to uproot all your friends and possibly risk spoiling your night just for one tosser?
To me A) is out of the question. I not keen on C) either. But, i would also weigh up the situation before using B). But B) is most likely my response, and i'd do it firmly as well, so he knows i'm no pushover. Chances are, he'll back down, but even if he doesn't, i'd sooner risk his response to B) than me opt for A) or C).
Never been in the situation, but I'll answer you hypothetically.
First off, I can't ever imagine some sole stranger, turns to me and the group of my friends looking to start a fight over a spilt pint. Not because he wouldn't, but if you were in his position, would you start a fight with me whilst I'm sitting amongst my mates? You wouldn't. Its not going to happen. Because like I would, he'd be assessing the situation. He's hardly likely to start anything when he's outnumbered 5 to 1 or whatever the odds are.
But to answer your question, I'd take option D which you failed to give. I'd apologise for spilling his pint, and yes, if I had genuinely spilt his pint, I would offer to buy him another. What's wrong with that? I spilt his pint, I'd gladly offer to buy him another. Why would I spill his pint then get all up in his face telling him to go f*ck himself? I was in the wrong.
Unless you're talking in terms of him accusing me of spilling his pint when I was nowhere near it. Then I would tell him he's in the wrong, but unlike you I wouldn't get all abusive and in his face, I'd try to calm him down and talk to him. I'll then refer you to my paragraph just above, about 5 to 1 odds. He's not going to start a fight anyway. If he did insist on getting into a fight with a group of us, chances are he's going to get the sh*t kicked out of him anyway. I really can't imagine why he would start. In your real life example then, did this drunkard start on you and your mates?
Something else I may do if he's not taking no for an answer, I'd notify the barman. He'd have him thrown out and I can sit down with my mates and continue enjoying the evening! Its a better alternative to starting a fight with him and risk ALL of us getting thrown out.
Banzai Joe wrote:maybe standing up to assailants on occasion is my way of 'doing my bit'.
Doing your bit for what? Bravery? Pride? Honor? Country!? You're not serving your country now mate. Instead of risking your life for your country whilst a soldier, you are now risking your life for nothing (note: especially if over measly possesions). Well I wish you every success and luck in future altercations with assailents mate. I just hope that one day I don't see your name on the local newspaper under 'man shot dead, suspect still on the loose' headline.
Banzai Joe wrote:
I don't subscribe to the 'what if he had a weapon' line of thought. Cos if thats the general idea, then i'd best not go to work in the a.m in case i get run over by a bus.[/quiote]
In your lifetime, your chances of getting into such an altercation with an assailent are far, far, far smaller then your trips to work. You could be hit by a bus every day, busses are uniform, busses are regular like clockwork. The same does not apply for 'muggings'. They are opportunistic. So you would assess the situation on the fly.
Banzai Joe wrote:If you live in the shadows, thats all you'll ever be.
Thanks once again, for portraying me as some kind of pathetic wimp
Sam wrote:Im not sure if thats denial or ignorance logan.
Call it what you like! Personally I'll say its through my own personal experience. But there ya go.
Sam wrote:And by sheltered i meant in general day to day life not travel.
I assume like you, I get up in the morning, I travel to work, I work, I may go out on my lunch break, I go home. I then may go out after work, go shopping, eat out. I then may choose to go to a pub for a drink or I may choose to stay in.
Does that differ to your day-to-day life?
Sam wrote:you mention avoiding groups of people who look like trouble etc - why should you?!?!?
IF that IS what I said, then that is NOT what I meant. See my above reply to Joe. Obviously my posts aren't coming across the way I intend.
Sam wrote:but his last line of his last post sums up most of this thread in one go.
Heres one for you:
If you choose to stay in the search light, expect to be found and dealt with.