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Postby sprout » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:48 pm

Thought a few people here would find these interesting, videos on combat, knife fighting, grappling etc.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6296671473847707798&q=combatives
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3747092207213485520&q=combatives
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1462151077277855734&q=combatives

This is a good knife video, contains static pictures from hospitals of knife wounds, not overly graphic but still.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8884586003342147853&q=combatives
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Postby wtf? » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:02 pm

the knife one is eye opening to those who didnt know better, and the millitary ones are crap, but in a good way (they show a lot of millitary, low tech stuff, and give a lot of info... i just question the info)

all in all... for various reasons, good vids, man. quite informative.

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just watched the striking vs MMA. now this is the reason i say most of the stuff i do. karate, TQD, wing chun, kung fu, aikido, ninjutsu, savate, kick boxing, etc, etc, etc. dont have grappling. and the second video shows why its important. so when people talk about martial arts, and sports... this is the 'proof' that such arts ARNT martial arts by their very definition.

so yeah... theres my edit.
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Im not sure what weapons will be used to fight WWIII, but i know that WWIV will be waged with wooden sticks.

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Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:17 am

Actually Ninjutsu does include grappling, since Part of Taijutsu relies on using your entire body weight to unbalance opponents and set them up for throws etc.

I won't link to the sight I got this from, (it ends with .org) cos it has MA shop links, but outta the 18 skills for Togakure Ryu, the second is explained in this quote...

2. Tai Jutsu (Unarmed Combat)
Skills of daken-taijutsu or striking, kicking, and blocking; jutai-jutsu or grappling, choking and escaping the holds of others, and taihenjutsu or silent movement, rolling, leaping, and tumbling assisted the Togakure ninja in life-threatening, defensive situations.

And grappling as described from "wiki"..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grappling

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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:37 am

wtf? wrote:*edit*
just watched the striking vs MMA. now this is the reason i say most of the stuff i do. karate, TQD, wing chun, kung fu, aikido, ninjutsu, savate, kick boxing, etc, etc, etc. dont have grappling. and the second video shows why its important. so when people talk about martial arts, and sports... this is the 'proof' that such arts ARNT martial arts by their very definition.


I watched the UFC matches from when it began, and it's idea of mixed martial arts was usually mixing people from different styles eg: karate vs sumo (hilarious), tkd vs boxer etc. Royce Gracie played a big part in revolutionising it with his jiu jitsu. Now nobody enters the octogon without both striking and grapling skills, because once you're on the floor with a grappler you're screwed. It's interesting to note though, that when Gracie returned in UFC 60, still a jiu jitsu specialist, he suffered his first loss to someone with both striking and ground skills.

Gracie is some guy though, he nearly had his arm broke but wouldn't submit - I think he'd rather have had it broke than lose by submission. The fight was stopped by the ref in the end. That's by the by, but Gracie's a bit of a hero of mine. :???:
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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:46 am

Knife video : JESUS CHRIST! Oh my god.. f*cking hell... lots of other similar reactions.. Just.. wow :s

Here's a memory of mine for you.

Few years ago when I was doing aikijutsu, I asked my sensei why there were no knife disarms and the like. He asked if I'd ever seen anyone try. I'd seen a lot of it in aikido, and the like. So next lesson, he brought in this knife that was more of a machete, and held it to me, and asked "Reckon you could stop that coming at you at all angles?" Of course, I couldn't, but I didn't accept that it was impossible, because I'd seen it done in aikido so often, and etc.

I've since done some knife disarms, and made up my own (ie, had somebody attack slowly and improved some ideas, some of which worked at that speed, some of which didn't.) Recently James and me have done some knife fighting with wooden tantos. It's incredible. I suddenly fully appreciate, accept, and understand how unrealistic and, well, foolish I was at that time to think knowing a technique was enough to make it work...

That video is frightening.

In a slightly unrelated topic, anyone seen the knife fighting stuff on Mind Body and Kickass Moves? I don't mean the filipino stuff, I mean the military applications of it. They demonstrate the knife vs gun bit too, with some stealth scenario applications. Really intense stuff.


As for the UFC, Lexx, was the karate vs sumo the one where the karate guy caught the sumo in the eye something like 7 seconds in, and they had to call the fight? It was a pretty damn nasty wound, but it was over so fast from a kick, it was kinda funny.
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:31 am

Hatamoto wrote:As for the UFC, Lexx, was the karate vs sumo the one where the karate guy caught the sumo in the eye something like 7 seconds in, and they had to call the fight? It was a pretty damn nasty wound, but it was over so fast from a kick, it was kinda funny.


It was one of the first ever UFC's, one of the first 3 i think. First the sumo threw the karate guy through the gate (that's what sumos do), but the karate guy managed to jump up after circling him a bit and belt him on the head, bringing him down. Once on his knees, the sumo couldn't get up. He was beaten on the head repeatedly till he submitted. The karate guy broke his wrist backfisting his head - you could see it flopping about. At the time fights weren't stopped. It was one round until a KO or submission. The sumo was the heaviest professional athlete in the world. If i remmber rightly, the karate was kyokushin.

I agree about knives, it's best to keep well the hell away, but there's no harm in learning techniques. No sane martial arts instructor is going to tell you to rely on them, but you may get into a situation where you're cornered and have no option but to defend youself unarmed. If you're lucky the attacker won't be as proficient as the guy in that video seems to be. We learn defense against knives, but it's a minute part of our training. It's not that unusual for people to pull weapons without really knowing what to do with them, and the attacker may be inept and nervous, in which case training may increase your chances. I found an old clip of Ohtsuka sensei (founder of wado ryu) demonstating a few defence techniques. Bare in mind the guy's just demonstrating and looks 100 years old on this clip. I've seen the same tequniques demonstrated by the late Suzuki sensei, Ohtsuka's student, somewhat faster. I stress that these are taught as a last resort when you have no other option, and we are made aware that in knife attacks we are at a massive disadvantage. Suzuki succesfully used one of his tequniques in a real attack. Better to wee wee in the wind than wee wee in your pants? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRs-mGK2yHg&mode=related&search=wado%20ryu
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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:44 am

Sweat more in the dojo, bleed less in the street.

And Chris, it's worth pointing out that I mentioned a while ago that I had a video, Brazilian Ju Jitsu vs Karate? Well in that Military vs grappling video, the first fight clip shown in that video that I have. That'll save me finding it and sending it to you now lol.

Not a bad video, Lexx, fair play, that sensei looks pretty healthy, he can move like a young 'un, lol.
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:58 am

Hatamoto wrote:Not a bad video, Lexx, fair play, that sensei looks pretty healthy, he can move like a young 'un, lol.


Don't know if I'd go that far, but he was some guy. There's a little biography on him if you're interested.

http://www.wado-ryu.org/wadoryu/ohtsuka.asp
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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:00 am

I just finished watching another one of the videos above (only one I haven't watched is the 40 minute one.)

Jesus, really opened my eyes :/ Makes me wonder why people are so eager to fight sometimes, given the potential damage that can be done :s That suplex near the end looked fatal in the ring, let alone if you were fighting in a gravel carpark, or something. It's insane :S

Anyway, blood sugars soaring, so gonna go outside and swing a bo about a bit, try to bring them down a bit, Lexx, still no sign of you on MSN ;)

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Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:25 am

The thing about defending against a knife is that the slightest touch from it can cause serious injury or death, most knife fatalities have happened when a knife has barely gone 2 cm's in someones body.

The best defence is either to run like hell, use anything to hand, take your jacket off and use it like a bullfighter would, i.e. if you can enclose the knife and the hand in a coat, however thick, you can then follow up with strikes.
Personally I carry (everywhere) 2 things, metsubushi (kinder surprise egg filled with cayenne pepper and iron filings) and a special spray thats primarely used by postmen and meter readers called "bite back", its perfectly legal and contains high concentrations of peppermint oil and clove oil in a gaseous spray, the spray is discharged from the can in a thin line, and disperses to a few feet at about 6 feet away, get that in the eyes and its gonna act like mace or pepper spray, except its perfectly legal. (its proper use is against dogs, but it works on humans too, one whiff is enough to make your eyes water).

Woman can also carry a small can as hair spray, as its also legal, and will hurt like fock if sprayed into the eyes of a potential rapist, etc.

Also if you ever get into a fight and your assailant has a knife, and you can't run or get away then your only thought should be to KILL him in any way possible, cos he is sure as hell not concerned for your welfare if he's pulled a knife in the first place.

Also considering most of the attacks these days are multiple assailants with maybe one or two with knives, then your gonna have to do things really quick!

Personally I'd rather just go for it and die fighting rather than curl up in a ball on the floor waiting to be stuck like a pig.

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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:11 am

Not a recommended technique this, but I thought I'd share it for sake of things people have tried.

In the movie Perfect Weapon (I'm aware this is a movie and is highly unlikely to work in real life), Jeff Speakman gets set upon by I think three muggers. He gets pissed, pulls his wallet out of his pocket. "YOu want this? Is THIS what you want? FINE!" and he throws it on the floor in front of him. Naturally,m their eyes follow it, and as they do, he dives in and pummels them. Then picks up the wallet and leaves.

Not saying to do literally that, but it's always useful if you have something to avert their eyes, to allow you to a) drop your wallet or whatever and scarper, or b) keep yoru wallet and scarper. If they have your wallet but you've fled, I figure they've got what they want, they probably won't chase you. Course, they might either way.

I tend not to think about it, really. It's pointless to plan what I'd do because, to be perfectly honest, I imagine I'll wet myself if someone pulled a knife on me. I like your kinder egg idea, though.

Knackered now, an hour of bo and suburi exercises (including some kata.) Think it's time to chill out away from violence discussion now. :)
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