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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:32 pm

Sai
Manji Sai
Jutte
Kabutowari

Any idea which weapon developed into the other? What came first? :)

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Postby Lexxorcist » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:35 pm

How about the trident?
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:45 pm

I am a bit of a martial racist. Not really into anything outside of the Japanese/Okinawan circle... :)

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Postby Lexxorcist » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:55 pm

If the 'proof' that the sai originated in China is records of what appeared to be an elongated sai there before sais were used in Okinawa, a trident is like an elongated sai, and there are plenty of referrences to it going back to many years BC elswhere in the world. Perhaps it's origins are in neither China or Okinawa, or perhaps the basic design has multiple origins. They were used by roman gladiators and feature in ancient mythology too.
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:22 pm

I have seen the trident referenced back to about 500BC in use with Arjuna/Krishna's armies in the Bhagavad Gita / Mahabharata. Sure, works of part truth, part fiction - but the weapon is there... :)

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Postby Lexxorcist » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:28 pm

And what a cool weapon it is. I guess I'm never going to find the original blueprints drawn in the blood of an Okinawan farmer on his shed wall. :D
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:33 pm

I guess I'm more into weapons that go 'swish'...!

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Postby Hatamoto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:54 pm

Well, you're not alone, when it comes to martial art I'm far more interested in the art than the martial :)
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:58 pm

I don't have the privilege of separating the two. They are the same... you can't be involved in a martial study with a heritage without appreciating the form of the seiho.

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Postby Lexxorcist » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:46 pm

Scott wrote:I don't have the privilege of separating the two. They are the same... you can't be involved in a martial study with a heritage without appreciating the form of the seiho.


Yes you can. Drop by your local McDojo for details. ;)
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:58 pm

Scott wrote:...with a heritage...

Not if you read my statement carefully... :D
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Postby Hatamoto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:58 pm

lol :) Dunno what a seiho is, so can't really comment.
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Postby Scott » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:05 pm

Seiho = techniques. Not dissimilar to waza.

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Postby Hatamoto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:07 pm

Ah, waza I'm familiar with, never heard of seiho before :$
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Postby Lexxorcist » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:12 pm

Scott wrote:
Scott wrote:...with a heritage...

Not if you read my statement carefully... :D


They all have a heritage, don't they?
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