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How not to use a Katana (and how to)...

Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:59 am

Found some really stoopid video's on people I would'nt even let use a butterknife let alone a katana (sharpened or not).

Some right idiots!

Also at the bottom of the page, some very good tameshigiri, and some Korean guys (I guess) cutting multiple bamboo, very fun to watch!

(and to the mod's I've checked the video's for links and could not see any).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33g634k ... rch=katana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f11Eue4O ... rch=katana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suh6HrvjCqg&NR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdOc0PNK ... rch=katana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYrO3Vx ... rch=katana

Edit: Dadao pratt using brute force instead of technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg5jj6h6 ... rch=katana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYDiVdgZ ... ed&search=

Dadao idiots, Just bad technique completely!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T3HqfTS ... ed&search=


How it should be done!
No flashy useless movements.
proper focus, footwork, intention of mind, Pure excellence!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM18LeRzJug&NR


These guys are just great to watch, (last 5 seconds is the best).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD45msoE ... ed&search=


As for those EDIT: Dadao pratts cutting fruit and veg on their colleagues bodies, that is plain stoopid, There are only 3 things, IMO, katana should be used to cut...and they are Air, Traditional Tameshigiri targets and human flesh (this one being the one your most likely to never cut at all).

Its about time that these silly people realised that sharpened katana are very dangerous and there are No erroneous or useless movements when using a Katana, Every movement is precise and to the point, either as a blocking action or as a killing strike.

If you wanna show off to your mates then use a stick, not a bloody sword!

I doubt you'd never see the proper portrayal of a Samurai or Ninja in a film twirling his sword about his head, and doing spins etc, that would leave himself open to an attack.

I never trained like this, I doubt any of the serious practioners here, do, too.

Lastly a video that proves the Katana was the best blade ever forged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjv54nP ... ed&search=
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:20 am

As for those Karate pratts cutting fruit and veg on their colleagues bodies, that is plain stoopid


That is not karate, it's dadao. As for the clowns in the garden, god only knows what they think they're doing. :|
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Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:30 am

Yeh! Sorry! it was Dadao, I misread one of the banners in the background.

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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:36 am

Gonna say! lol There's no swords in karate.
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Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:01 am

Funny thing is I've seen quite a few video's with Karate guys using katana.

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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:20 am

I'd just like to say

a) The guy oh so shitly cutting the bamboo bits.. WOW, he sucks.

b) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHAyDKTPV2Y SCHWING!
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:28 am

Oni no Tengu wrote:Funny thing is I've seen quite a few video's with Karate guys using katana.


Can you post them please? Katana's aren't used in karate.
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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:31 am

Oni no Tengu wrote:Funny thing is I've seen quite a few video's with Karate guys using katana.


That's not funny. That's stupid. I can't wait to see footage :D lol
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:39 am

Well I suppose you could say, as wtf? is a doorman that doormen use katanas, but the only reason I could think of for anything like a katana being used as part of karate, would be to demonstrate how karate ka used to disarm samurai with sais etc. Actually using them is definatley not a part of karate.
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Postby Oni no Tengu » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:22 am

Ah! but I never said katana was part of karate, I just said I'd seen a lot of karate guys using them.

Anyway must fly, time to go home.

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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:24 am

Oni no Tengu wrote:Ah! but I never said katana was part of karate, I just said I'd seen a lot of karate guys using them.

Anyway must fly, time to go home.


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Postby Hatamoto » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:32 am

He uses the net at work, Lexx :)

As for katana not being part of karate, it's always confused me how sai and tonfa, etc, were part of karate. To my understanding karate means "empty hand", so where the hell weapons come into it, I can't say I'm sure, lol.

Least they're consistently illogical :)
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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:37 am

Hatamoto wrote:He uses the net at work, Lexx :)

As for katana not being part of karate, it's always confused me how sai and tonfa, etc, were part of karate. To my understanding karate means "empty hand", so where the hell weapons come into it, I can't say I'm sure, lol.

Least they're consistently illogical :)


The farmers were struggling to fend off katana weilding samurai with their bare hands, but were not allowed to own weapons, so they began improvising with everyday items lying around. Tonfas were the handles off millstones, nunchaku were the bits used on horses, staffs.. well, they were just the handles off tools, and s for sais, there's some debate. Some say they were evolved from planting tools, but howerver sais came into use there, they were easily concealed by flipping them inwards and hiding them up their sleeves, and they were good for trapping katana blades. Sickles (kamas) were also farm tools used as weapons Those are the main karate weapons (kobudo weapons).

***Eit*** I know he uses the net at work. When he said "must fly", I didn't think he meant literally fly..... though then again.. lol
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Postby 2841981 » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:50 am

nunchaku were the bits used on horses


afaik that bit about nunchaku is false because the flails the farmers used where long on one end and short on they other, but all martial arts that use them have there own opinions on how they originated, japanese have the romantic notion of farmers fighting samurai with them which i doubt but i wasnt there lol, koreans think that they originated from clubs tied together (which is what they are funnily enough). and the chinese where using them well before either off the other two

but then again all that info i just said could be sh*te for all i know, they just seems to be the popular myths/legends behind the weapon

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Postby Lexxorcist » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:04 pm

I also wasn't there, so wouldn't stake my rep on it lol. Here's one bit of info, but I realise if you search around you'll find all kinds of different versions.
As all other okinawan weaponry, the origin of this weapon is obscure. Some say it has a Chinese origin, others say it was developped from a horsebit, but it seems like it was used by peasant to beat the rice. It probably came into action somewhere in the 16th century, like saï, tonfa, etc. The nunchaku is made out of 2 sticks, usually some hard wood, and connected with a rope (it used to be a horsetailhair) or a chain. As the sticks vary in length, size and weight, so does the length of the connection between the two sticks.


The question I was answering though was why are weapons associatied with karate at all, when it's very name implies 'empty hand'. They didn't learn to fight unarmed because they wanted to, it was becaue weapons were outlawed. So, they improvised with things that could at least be passed off as or made from ordinary things you'd find lying about, or could be concealed. I don't think there's much dispute on that. I don't doubt farmers would fight samurai or raiders if it was that or be pillaged and killed. They most likely lost most of the time, but had little to lose by fighting.

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hat bit about nunchaku is false because the flails the farmers used where long on one end and short on they other

Just re-read that. I didn't mention flails, I mentioned horse bits, which would have had similar length pieces of wood.

Where the first nunchaku like weapons were first used doesn't come into this anyway. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if weapons similar to kobudo weapons were used in other parts of the world centuaries earlier. How they came to be integrated into karate is a different story. You have all these okinwan farmers not allowed to own or carry weapons, so when faced by armed attackers they'd use whatever was at hand (as would I if someone came at me with a baseball bat and there was something lying about I could use as a weapon). Kamas are clearly farming tools and would often have been at hand, as would staffs, detachable millstone handles and oars. Both horse bits and flails would make handy weapons though when first used they were probalby just referred to as what they were. It seems quite credible that those practicing karate would refine the art of using these things and incorperate them into karate. I'm not suggesting all okinawans were skilled karate ka, adept in the use of these improvised weapons - the majority probably used them in an amaturish way. But from all the information I've found, this seems to be the way they became incorperated into karate.

Sais, I'm much less sure of. Some say they were probably planting tools, some say they originated (again I'm only talking about in okinawa during that period) from pitchforks. I have this image of a swordsman, possibly on a horse, bring a sword down on a farmer, and the farmer raises his pitchfork to defend himself and, to his suprise, finds he's trapped the blade beteen the prongs. Thr rough metal would grip the blade quite well if you twisted it, and he lives.... then thinks hmmm.. with a bit of work I think I've hit on an idea here.

Ok, so I'm stretching it there, but you never know. :D
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