Cold Steel Laredo Bowie Video Clip

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Post by BlackRonin » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:24 pm

£70 for a long shaft with a knob on the end

come now it doesnt even vibrate :oops:

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oops this is a serious section so

not sure the idea is ok and it looks a lot better than some walking sticks i've seen about, but still £70 for a walking stick, or is this classed as a gentlemans cane?

seems a little high, but then how much does the sword version work out as?

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Post by 2841981 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:41 pm

ah yes but what if you encounter a cinder block on a rope, with a nomal walking cane you must accept the abomination but with this cane you could exact vengence on the unholy abomination

in otherwords should you feel the need you could try to knock down a council house :D

but i agree its damn expensive for a stick

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Post by Big Lazy » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:26 pm

Well its not the sort of walking stick you see crippled up old geezers using now is it and you sure as hell aint gonna get one on the NHS lol. So if you're a bit gimpy and like to look stylish I'm thinking £70 is nothing, plus you have one kick ass weapon if anyone tries to turn you over (H)

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Post by dw » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:06 pm

I dont want to be bitching or anything, But dont you think its kinda inappropriate to have videos as "commercial" for knives and swords and cutting through actual flesh, and the company sellers, talking about how you can cut of a leg, and "wont know your name" if you get hit by the back of this blade etc.

Saw mods bitching on Jaques for saying "In my book its sharp enough if you can kill with it"

These videos are exactly the same, but accepted? Disturbing.

Just my opinion.

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Post by Angelus » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:12 pm

This is promotional material by the companies making the blades, ergo different from a member of the community saying it

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Post by Big Lazy » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:15 pm

dw wrote:I dont want to be bitching or anything, But dont you think its kinda inappropriate to have videos as "commercial" for knives and swords and cutting through actual flesh, and the company sellers, talking about how you can cut of a leg, and "wont know your name" if you get hit by the back of this blade etc.

Saw mods bitching on Jaques for saying "In my book its sharp enough if you can kill with it"

These videos are exactly the same, but accepted? Disturbing.

Just my opinion.

Stefan.
and you're welcome to your opinion but it doesn't mean your opinion is correct.

As stated before these clips are taken from the official Cold Steel DVD and it's sole purpose to to sell their products. If there's no concerns with that DVD being sold then there should be no concern over the clips being shown on this forum either.

If you think differently please contact an admin regarding the matter who will take your concerns on board.

With regards to Jacques, he is someone who always tries to cause controversy on this forum and has therefore been warned on many occasions, please do not compare any of my threads or posts to his. Thank you

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Post by dw » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:14 pm

Doublestandards is what I think.

Please Mod or Admin Answer this:

"Is cutting flesh deemed suitable for B-UK?"

The seller on the video Is audible comparing the actions to acts of violence against humans,

As much as Jaques did.
Yet one recieves immunity, and one gets scolded.... why?
I also saw a video on the forum before signing up of a dead pig beeing hacked up with a katana, that mods deleted... why?
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Post by Big Lazy » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:24 pm

I suggest you take your complaint up with Cold Steel dude if it's offended you so much. I'm sure you'll get a nice reply from them regarding the subject matter of their Dvds

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Post by dw » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:29 pm

The video isnt what im posting about, its the way its reacted too. im not sure what is meant to be suitable on this forum,

what makes the pig, and jaques comment bad, but this video good.?

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Post by Big Lazy » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:32 pm

As previously stated, Jacques has proved to be a pain in the ass on many an occasion and has had to be continuously moderated due to his dumb comments (no offence Jacques, I'm just stating the obvious)

I personally haven't even seen the pig video so cant comment on it, but from what I heard it was done in pretty bad taste.

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Post by Angelus » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:43 pm

OK lets be clear. The flesh being shown in the video is butchers meat, not a living creature, ergo its already dead so is no different then seeing a cook on a cooking show. As far as the clips talking about damage it could do to humans, these blades have historical basis and as such have historical use, the video is merely pointing this out.

The above comment answers both questions but I'll re-iterate just to be sure. Talking about a swords use in historical context is fine, advocating that use against a living human being is not. That is the difference in this case. Is that clearer now?

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Post by dw » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:49 pm

So does that mean its ok to display things like this, as long as their done in good taste... and who decides these things?

Id still like a mod or even better yet admin to answer if B-UK approves cutting flesh suitable as long as its done in a good taste?

And also whats a good taste when it comes to cutting of flesh with close combat weapons?

Larn, Its not about you posting the video mate, its about, It's the way its reacted to by moderators and admins.

You we're soley showing off the new product from coldsteel.

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OK EDIT Didnt see your post Angel:

Jaques talked about the Katana's in an historical context, Ie they we're sharp enough to kill, Just as beeing shown in this video,

also the pig was dead, and meant for a butcher, in technical terms they we're cutting the same thing, dead meat.
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Post by Gorilla Warfairy » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:50 pm

The difference between the cold steel video and the pig video is that in one video the target is a generic lump of meat and in the other the target was easily recogniseable as a pig and as such could be more upsetting to young/easily upsetable people - after all this is a public forum and as such anyone can see it. Comparison of the two is like comparing a sex scene in a 15 rated film to another in a porn film - how come I can see one at my local odeon and not the other?

That said I believe the real reason the pig video was removed was because of the offense caused among the martial artists on the boards to the technique of the "sensei". (H) 8)

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Post by Angelus » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:57 pm

dw wrote:So does that mean its ok to display things like this, as long as their done in good taste... and who decides these things?

Id still like a mod or even better yet admin to answer if B-UK approves cutting flesh suitable as long as its done in a good taste?

And also whats a good taste when it comes to cutting of flesh with close combat weapons?

Larn, Its not about you posting the video mate, its about, It's the way its reacted to by moderators and admins.

You we're soley showing off the new product from coldsteel.

Sincerly
Stefan.
I am a mod so that answers that one. Promotional videos compiled by manufacturers are fine. A video of some random person hacking at something with a sword is not. Essentially cutting of flesh as you continue to phrase it as part of a manufacturers demonstration is fine as they will have gone through all the safety aspects of doing so and the 'flesh' will be from a butcher, nothing live. If you are thinking of doing a similar video yourself I would advise against it as it will not go down well.

I hope this answers your questions

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Post by dw » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:06 pm

If i we're to make the exact same copy of the video, would it be a breach of the forum rules?

If so, then it has nothing to do with moral standards , its about personal preference on the part of the admin team.

EDIT:
a manufacturers demonstration is fine as they will have gone through all the safety aspects of doing so and the 'flesh' will be from a butcher, nothing live. If you are thinking of doing a similar video yourself I would advise against it as it will not go down well.

But then again, what does it matter if i buy a peice of meat from the butcher, and chop it up, and a "company" does the same? they are "more proffesional" than me? You dont even know half the part of me,

I have a 3 year education as a chef, and a 2 year education as a butcher, So im actually more qualified than "those" people to "chop up meat"

I've actually made a similar cut through a pair of ribs like that once, and made a laceration to my thumb through a pair of chainmail gloves, the pork on the ribs make it slipery, so i think the saftey precations you are talking about can be neglected.

the only diffrence now is that one vid is official and one isnt, and its a twisted form of favouritism.

Ive said mine in this thread.

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