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Katana in films

Postby quench » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:29 pm

I know it's unrealistic, however I find it suprising the ammount of katana featured in films and their percieved capabilities. In the matrix reloaded, the scene where morpheus slices the petrol tank of the twins car, on the freeway then blows the petrol tank with his pistol, killing the twins. now even a sharp katana would not be able to slice even a short distance into steel alloy of cars. Also there is a myth that katanas can slice through wooden tables, chop through vending machines or anything besides boulders, where the reality is all of these will ruin and chip the blade.

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Re: Katana in films

Postby Big Lazy » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:51 pm

Hence why we've had muppet after muppet on the forums over the years thinking their cheap £25 SS katana can cut down trees and the like.
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Re: Katana in films

Postby Hatamoto » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:48 pm

Was watching a video from the 90s yesterday, a collection of clips from martial arts movies. When the sword came up, they showed some ninja fights, classic straight bladed stuff, and the narrator said "it's said that the perfect sword could cut through stone."

Hollywood has an awful lot to answer for, really, giving out that sort of image. It's not even about damaging swords (though if you try cutting through trees you kinda deserve a wrecked blade :p), but people could get hurt. Should be disclaimers before such movies :) Spose people don't have to worry now though, eh?
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Re: Katana in films

Postby simonatack » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:09 am

For my money, the Japanese sword in the movies begins and ends with Akira Kurasawa. His SEVEN SAMURAI is a masterpiece; even though it was made in black and white in 1954. I have a problem taking most of todays Hollywood blockbusters credibly, when I see warriors flying about the place like birds. If they'll have you believing that, they'll have you believing a katana can slice through the frontal armour of a TANK. Best movie of modern times was THE LAST SAMURAI, much of which is an homage to Kurasawa. If some of you youngsters are unfamiliar with his work, go check em out as they are all on DVD and you'll get a more balanced point of view!

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Re: Katana in films

Postby Big Lazy » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:39 am

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Re: Katana in films

Postby cybernex » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:45 am

I know who Akira Kurasawa is (Who Dosn't), I've seen Kagemusha, i still have a copy of The 7 Samuari on VHS and a copy of RAN on DVD.

TLS was a good film IMHO but it was only loosley based on fact and also Ninjato's don't actually exist.
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Re: Katana in films

Postby Hatamoto » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:47 am

Ah, the ninjato, such a topic of debate, even among ninjutsu historians :) Hatsumi-sensei has written many books. In some he confirms them. In others he refutes them :p Damn those ninjas for being so bloody sneaky! :)

Likely thing is back before swords were curved, 12th century or something wasn't it? the ninja used straight blades coz that's all they knew of, and some traditionalists stuck with it for longer than the samurai did, so it became associated with ninja.

Though among my class when they refer to a ninja to, they mean a blade around wakizashi length housed in a katana scabbard coz it's sneakier :p So we're both right. And wrong :D :9874
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Re: Katana in films

Postby Moon » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:08 pm

There is absolutely no historical evidence whatsoever that Ninja carried anything other than a wakizashi and a wakizashi in a long katana style saya or a straight bladed sword would only have served to draw attention which I believe was the opposite of what a Ninja would have wanted and the same applies to a Chisa katana in a longer saya.
For those new members who don't know what a Chisa katana is...it's a wakizashi length blade with a katana length tsuka...these were carried to abide by the Tokugawa Shogunate Law that only Samurai were allowed to carry katana (blade over 2 shaku,a tad under 2 feet) so anyone seen to be carrying what appeared to be be a katana would have drawn attention to themselves.
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Re: Katana in films

Postby kirisute » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:37 pm

im not going to enter the overall argument of whether or no ninja-to existed.....
all i would add is that my perception of ninja is the fact that they relied more upon their own skills and ingenuity rather than a reliance on specialised equipment. Hatsumi offers several specialised pieces of equipment for such things as water crossing and wall climbing, which i guess is acceptable; but would a clan create a special sword where none existed purely for their own use? especially when so many fine swords would have been readily available?

Hatamoto wrote:Ah, the ninjato, such a topic of debate, even among ninjutsu historians :) Hatsumi-sensei has written many books. In some he confirms them. In others he refutes them :p Damn those ninjas for being so bloody sneaky! :)


i agree! there are a couple of books where he first discounts their use and design..and then flip-sides offering whole insights into the fact that ninja did not revere the sword as did the samurai and as such it became a functional and purely practical piece of weaponary. in his own Bujinkan federation i believe the Chisa katana of which Moon speaks is commonly used...i have a feeling Chen also make a Bujinkan katana.

http://home.no.net/sanshin/dokumenter/T ... 0Ninja.pdf

a little pdf i dug up from Hatsumi sensei...nothing about the swords but a good read none the less.

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Re: Katana in films

Postby Kentofski » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:37 pm

The QVC accident ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMuZoGVz9tc

Sorry but I have no sympathy for that guy, hitting it off a table like that id be surprised if any blade could survive that :S

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P.S: sorry for disturbing the thread ;) Ill go back to cutting up my milk bottles lol

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Re: Katana in films

Postby Yoshiyuki » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:06 pm

Hey I like the films where they fly around the place!
Crouching tiger was beautiful, though that was with Chinese swords.
And Im going to sound really geeky here but in the matrix it doesn't count
because when morpheus slashes the car - they are in the matrix (a computer program not the real world)
and they can do anything in the matrix, like neo can fly and dodge bullets.

I definetely will watch the seven samurai everyone is praising it.
This one also looks great judging by reviews:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Twilight-Samura ... B0002HSE7W
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Re: Katana in films

Postby Big Lazy » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:39 pm

Kentofski wrote:The QVC accident ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMuZoGVz9tc

Sorry but I have no sympathy for that guy, hitting it off a table like that id be surprised if any blade could survive that :S

Note the 440 Stainless text on the sellers box :D

P.S: sorry for disturbing the thread ;) Ill go back to cutting up my milk bottles lol
lol you're only about the 47th person to post that clip on this forum :mrgreen:
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