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Postby Sir Fremont » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:54 pm

I've always been a freak for DIY.Ive always enjoyed making things.Especially if its free,it gives me a sense of freedom.After talking with my friends about making weapons and armor out of stuff we found out on our property,I started thinking about how cool it would be to make my own real swords and armor.It isnt necessarily the idea of learning how to use a sword(although that is a perk) but the thought of crafting these by hand that is so alluring to me. I have did a small amount of research on the internet,and from what ive read you need a vast amount of tools and skills to craft your own weapons by hand.So I would like to ask for help from you experts on here,as to where to start?I have no clue where to start really what tools i need to obtain and what I should craft first and what skills to learn first.I would like to start with the least amount of resources possible,or the most natural cheapest route.It would be very cool if I could even craft things from the stuff I find in my woods.I was thinking maybe I could make a bokuto/bokken for my first project as a sword seems like it would be very hard but Im not really sure.What is your advice??

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Postby 2841981 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:33 pm

a quarter staff would probably be a nice place to start

i dont imagine it would be too difficult

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Postby sprout » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:58 pm

getting wood that long with no knots in can be tricky, as well as getting it straight, might be better off trying a wooden knife of some design, a copy of a wooden tanto maybe?

would give you a nice area for getting used to chisels, or other blades/wood working tools you might use.
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Postby wabhimself » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:31 pm

you ever carved anything from wood using a knife before mate? i've done a coupla things and its hard work, remember is your taking wood from a forest to work with give it a week to a month to dry out or else you'll go to pick up your item and it'll be warped.

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Postby wtf? » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:30 pm

making something THAT long, consistantly would be a right pain. and either way, you'll need a spoke shaver. their for cutting wood, and are a double handed tool, that cut on the pull... they were named because they were used to hand shape spokes on old fasioned wheels. so their perfect for that type of work.

using a knife will take an age, and give inferior finish and shape... hope that helps.
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Postby Sir Fremont » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:35 pm

you have convinced me that a wooden tanto is a good place to start.This will be my first real woodworking adventure so I have hardly any tools or skills.Where to get started for woodworking?.IE what kind of tools do I need ect. Im willing to use tools as long as they dont take gas or electricity to run :).( getting tools I thinkis the best place to start). ALso how do you reccomand how to learn how to use these tools??


Another concern I have is what kind of wood should I be using to make my wooden tanto??(i plan on making a tanto and than building up to greater things such as a bokkuto ect.)I have decided to not hand pick wood from the forest in my area as it would take time to dry and it would be hard to find good pieces of wood as I am just beginning,and once i do find one i dont want to mess it up :P.So im planning on buying wood where should I buy the wood and and what types/sizes of wood should i get??

Other than that all I really need to learn how to do is make the tanto itself??How do you reccomand doing this and learning how to do this??Are there any online guides ect.??Should I buy a wooden tanto from a martial art supply store to see how its shaped ect.??

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Postby Moon » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:34 pm

Sir Fremont wrote:Should I buy a wooden tanto from a martial art supply store to see how its shaped ect.??


Don't see much point in that,especially as you like to make things for free.
There are thousands of pics of tanto on the 'net you could refer to.

Are you in Missouri,USA by any chance??
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Postby Sir Fremont » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:00 pm

yes I happen to be in missouri I live in osage beach and the forests that are left around here are pretty plentiful with osage oranges which I hear is a nice wood but hard to find good pieces,and very hard to work with.I guess i could always make a bow though :D.


and how did you happen to know I was from missouri united states?

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Postby Sir Fremont » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:01 pm

Sir Fremont wrote:yes I happen to be in missouri I live in osage beach and the forests that are left around here are pretty plentiful with osage oranges which I hear is a nice wood but hard to find good pieces,and very hard to work with.I guess i could always make a bow though :D.


and how did you happen to know I was from missouri united states?


google my name and see my myspace? :D embarasssingg

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Postby wtf? » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:14 pm

you have convinced me that a wooden tanto is a good place to start.This will be my first real woodworking adventure so I have hardly any tools or skills.Where to get started for woodworking?.IE what kind of tools do I need ect. Im willing to use tools as long as they dont take gas or electricity to run .( getting tools I thinkis the best place to start). ALso how do you reccomand how to learn how to use these tools??


you get started by doing it. i would suggest abrasives (sandpapers, files, etc) a few saws, spoke shaver, and.... go ask at B7Q or whatever regarding what you need... i could go on all day about specific tools, but theres not enough time in a day. you WILL need a good vice though, to hold your work still.

as for wood... ash, oak, or hickory might be a good starting block... hickory is what they make replacement axe handles out of, and you can cut it down to size. its lso easily avalibe as shaped axe handles. i sometimes use them for replacement tsuka cores (katana handles)

as you dont know how to use the tools... practice is your friend. just TRY to make tanto, over, and over again. you'll find your work getting better after you've screwed up a few, and worked out how, and why you did so.

Another concern I have is what kind of wood should I be using to make my wooden tanto??(i plan on making a tanto and than building up to greater things such as a bokkuto ect.)I have decided to not hand pick wood from the forest in my area as it would take time to dry and it would be hard to find good pieces of wood as I am just beginning,and once i do find one i dont want to mess it up .So im planning on buying wood where should I buy the wood and and what types/sizes of wood should i get??


ive enver worked with lumber much. and anything i do, do... i get shipped to me from a wholesalers, or merchants yard. other than that... specialist places. for what you want, id suggest axe handles. althugh much more expensive than raw material, their preshaped, and cured. as your starting out, you could do with all the help you can get.

sizes dont really matter... you get something too big, and you an cut it. the right size is the right size... so just make sure you dont gettoo small, and your onto a winner.

trying to choose wood from the local forest would be a BAD idea. for many reasons i wont go into... nor do i need to as you've said no to that idea.

Other than that all I really need to learn how to do is make the tanto itself??How do you reccomand doing this and learning how to do this??Are there any online guides ect.??Should I buy a wooden tanto from a martial art supply store to see how its shaped ect.??


type in 'wooden tanto' into google image search... no need to buy one. and get idea's there.... theres no real "DEAD SET" tanto shape... nor should there be. as long as you have the idea, YOUR in control. if your going to make a carbon copy of one you've bought... whats the point in making one?

use your own idea's and play about... thats half the fun.

as for learning how... 'tanto' is a shape, and style... and a very vauge idea at that. your not learning how to make a tanto... your learning how to shape wood, and transfer your idea's to materials. and as to how you learn how top do that... well, in your situation... practice.

if theres any specific questions, ask us. but for anything else... play about.

hope this all helps.
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Im not sure what weapons will be used to fight WWIII, but i know that WWIV will be waged with wooden sticks.

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Postby darksun_uk » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:27 pm

take what you learn from shaping and working with the wooden weapons and then apply/adapt to making similar items from steel etc via the stock removal method (search for that term in google etc) all you really need for basic stock removal is a bench grinder (about $40) and some cheap files and sandpaper etc working with already heattreated steel will save the trouble /expense of having to heat treat it yourself or get it sent out for treatment but it willl take longer to make and you have to be carefull to keep the temperature of the workpiece low in order to not affect the exsisting heat treatment of the steel etc there are many great how to guides on the subject of stock removal and it is the next logical step in my opinion from making wooden weapons

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Postby wtf? » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:23 pm

actually... working on hardened steel will not be at all possible for a starter. and isnt viable for those experienced. you cant work on steel with a file thats not been annealed. its almost impossible to cut, and sandpaper will just tear itself apart. you'll need some simple annealed 10xx carbon steel.. 1050, 1060, and 1080 are good for beginers... but thats miles ahead.

if your just using a wheel grinder, as well.... on hardened steel, you'll spend most of your time dressing the wheels. and while its all possible... theres much easier ways to do it. and like i said before... you'll need al the help you can get straight off.
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Postby wabhimself » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:52 pm

wtf? wrote:
trying to choose wood from the local forest would be a BAD idea. for many reasons i wont go into... nor do i need to as you've said no to that idea.

l know what you mean when you say that but if you know what your doing then its not that bad,course you have to know what wood is good for what, l know what im looking for most of the time like when l made a load of stone axes (the heads were slate, im going to try some flint ones soon) and as long as you know the laws of the land for where your taking the wood from then your usually ok.

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Postby darksun_uk » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:54 pm

wtf? wrote:actually... working on hardened steel will not be at all possible for a starter. and isnt viable for those experienced.


i have been working on hardend steel for years with grinders and files and sandpaper yeah its harder but i dont have to heat treat.


wtf? wrote:you cant work on steel with a file thats not been annealed. its almost impossible to cut, and sandpaper will just tear itself apart. you'll need some simple annealed 10xx carbon steel.. 1050, 1060, and 1080 are good for beginers... but thats miles ahead.


i agree with beginner comment but the how to guides i followed and my own personal experience is that stock removal on already heat treated steel is viable and worthwhile at least for me anyway i have used sandpaper to polish hard steel and have had good results...as for files the ones i have (my grandads old ones) seem to cut just fine *shrug*





wtf? wrote:if your just using a wheel grinder, as well.... on hardened steel, you'll spend most of your time dressing the wheels. and while its all possible... theres much easier ways to do it. and like i said before... you'll need al the help you can get straight off.


not in my experience but then i dont do that much rough shaping so im not really 100% on that issue.


wtf? wrote:and while its all possible... theres much easier ways to do it.



well much easier is a misnomer as heat treating yourself is vastly more complex and timeconsuming.

sending away for heatreat could easily cost more vrs the benifit especially with starter pieces...

that would be the best option though if cost is not really an issue.


.just my opinon though based on what i have done and read etc,





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Postby Moon » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:47 pm

Sir Fremont wrote:yes I happen to be in missouri I live in osage beach and the forests that are left around here are pretty plentiful with osage oranges which I hear is a nice wood but hard to find good pieces,and very hard to work with.I guess i could always make a bow though :D.


Yep...seems like a good starting point to me,especially as the Osage Orange or "Bodark" timber was prized by the American Indians of the Mid West for making bows but you don't need a 'limey' to tell ya that. ;)
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