wanted to make a specific type of weapon which i can clearly see is not made by anyone else i also have little interest in actually making a blade as its a time consuming process therefore i directed my effots to produce a sword from carefully selected parts and put most of my effort into making the best weapon possible within the parameters of my original desgn idea.
ah sorry... i was talking in relation to your experience... i was refering to making a blade. you havent made a blade (as far as i know) you've modded one, and played with them to an extent... but i cant recall you ever taking a slab of metal and working it into a knife. so therefore, you cant coment on taking a slab of metal, and making a knife out of it.... which is what were on about.
i can see exactly HOW to make one. its a simple job. the very second i saw it, i went about making one (in my head) and its a simple process. although instead of using glue, i would opt for a traditional tuska contruction. and i would thin the sai section down, and re-blue it... or actually... i dont think sai are blued. so i would take off the black coating and blue them.
making a small knife etc is perfectly possible i have seen ones that people have made yes it took ages but thats not the point lol.
your still welcome to test for yourself and post contradictory evidence. like i said. if you make blades, then you'll have the equiptment about to test such things... otherwise, you giving opinion as fact... do it, and give evidence
heres the bowie as is now (had to use a borrowed webcam, sorry) took 45 mins to rough shape that tip with huge tools (see earlier posts) and another 2hrs to get is as it is in that pic... the whole job for such a dog-rough shaping should have been 30mins.
how long has it taken you? show me some evidence of how you can work hardened steel, or leave it alone. opinion, and reading a book, or website isnt fact... give us your experience, as ive just done, and show me. get on the grinders, and test it out. prove me wrong... otherwise as a wise man once said "knowledge without wisdom is as books carried on the back of an ass" (think it was moon, and a jap proverb.)
(also bear in mind that this is a 63year old piece of steel, worked on for a couple of hours with minimal effort, and care... and its seen a world war... i consider myself good, but im not a miricle worker so yes... its looks pap, but im just proving a point)
um, you just described a complex series of interlinking processes resulting in a specifically designed product if that is not making something i dont know what is, and for the record i am qualified in making sai swords in this fashion the only reson i dont make the blades is because fundamentally it would not add anything to the finished product that i dont get from a bought blade+ i dont have any interest in actually making the blades anyway or indeed the space to do it in.
i would... like most other people, say that making something... like sword (normal, or sai varity) would be taking raw materials, and shaping them into (in this case) swords. the example is above. i MADE that from a slab of metal. if i were to take a sword, and grind it differently... im not making a sword... im taking a sword that SOMEONE ELSE made, and im modding it.
all you do is add a 'sai tsuba' which would take me, at a guess... a few days at most.
in fact, im off to dragonfly forge later this year. and i'll be bringing back a wak that i'll be making. folded cable steel. i dont care for waks so heres what im going to do....
i'll take it, and a sai, i'll cut the sai apart, mill out the right size hole. reshape the sai section to be more slimlined, and make a traditional tsuka core, then wrap it. i got some old PPK fittings here i can throw on for it.
i would have MADE the blade, MADE the handle, and MODDED a sai.... see how that works?
you can them tell me how we both made the swords. and heres the good bit. i will let you come down, and use all this equiptment, just for the fun, and you can show me JUST how you MAKE your blades.... from the raw materials. i'll supply cable for folding, or some 1080 for stock removal (unless you have another steel preference). you can MAKE your swords... unless you dont that is... and you just buy them! theres an offer to find out.
as for complex series of whatever... their not complex!!! i do this stuff every day. i could take anyone on these boards... ANYONE, and teach them in 2 days how to make sai swords by modding other peoples work. you cant bulls*it a bullshi*ter, chief.
am only talking about grinding a few mm away on the blank then what is the problem with that i would go and experiment myself but just from the grinding of the hard steel i have done with a bench grinder i know its possible (very very time consuming but still possible you admit this yourself in your eariler posts)
see... this is where you fall down... a few MM's isnt stock removing a knife is it? its removing a few MM's.
were talking about making a blade... and your commenting even though you've never done it. you can grind hard steel down on a bench grinder... thats not in question. what im saying is that making a knife this way (in my experience) is almost impossible. and its not a good idea to suggest such things to a beginer, i wouldnt have though. but thats the first thing out of your mouth.
you dont make knives, and you dont stock remove. but you give advice on how a beginer might go about it. and whats best, then go into defending your opinion against someone who has just gone outside and bloody done it!
like i said earlier... prove me wrong, or your opinions are worthless. without proof, your words carry no water.
test out what youve said
get the experience.
post based on that experience.
this is the first time ive ever tried to stock remove a blade from hardened steel. and im posting based on that... how many blades have you made via stock removing hardened steel? how many slabs of flat steel have you taken, and shaped into something like ive shown above? not bought and modified... actually made from scratch?
none? no? then dont comment on it... its dangerous!
if your read my posts you will find that i mentioned the possiblity only in reference to online guides and so forth that i have seen relating to the issues involved
so reference them... dont bloody argue with me about how im wrong and your right. you dont know what your on about... youve not DONE what were talking about... you've read about it, on the net.
im reliant on my own mind and creativity to get the parts made to exact specifications and then carefully assemble them whilst making a lot of the fittings from scratch.
not to mention the balance issue which for a sai is critically important but having never made a sai sword you would not understand that, how long do you think it would take you to make all the fittings and assemble one how would you know how to balance it ? think very carefully about your answer..
what fittings from scratch? cus you dont make the blades, nor the sai section. so what fittings?
i dont make fittings, i buy them. as of yet, i cant make fushi, and kashira very well. but it would take me 4 days to wrap a tsuka core, and another day to make on in the first place. a day to mill out a sai section, and another to slim it down (absolute max times here). so a week i would guess at. but i have superior tools for such things. so i can do things faster. but as im not sure what fittings you make... i cant comment. i now i can make basic fittings in under a day. but nothing that would cause a riot. and by fittings, i mean traditional japanese metal fittings for tsuka.
as for balance... not sure, havent done one. but this isnt about time involved in the slightest... i cant remember ever saying anything about how long it takes to 'make' one. but i can remedy all this later... ala dragonfly, and a hand forged blade.
that, would take me a week to forge, and maybe 2 to polish. but the answers are above and if their innaccurate... you can come show me (invitation above).
i have not made anything lol, priceless, the fittings alone on one sword take hours to shape and polish etc
i take it you dont want one in trade for that knife then if you have such a low opinion of them (without having seen one let alone handled it ) which based on nothing more than a few pictures seems a very harsh and unreasonable attitude to take, not to mention the fact that to truly understand everything that went into one (and in order to render an informed opinion) you would have to have a LOT of expereience with sai or be able to ask someone who does for an opinion.
hours... whole hours?
i would imagine so. takes me the best part of a week to make, and wrap a tsuka, and thats with the metal parts made for me... so im not sure why your putting an emphasis on a couple of hours. and for making a blade from scratch... could take me up to a month.
and i do, and dont want one of your blades. i personally dont rate your skill in making such things... which is strangely why i also want one. parts only cost me about £30 for a decent knife, so its not like im paying much for it. i think a grim interest is more at play, rather than a keen want.
as for opinion... dont care for sai... never have. nor would i render an opinion on one... but engineering, and weapon contruction... THAT i have experience on, as does my dad, and we'd both like to render an opinion on that. im sorry to say, but the sai would see a grisly end as it would be broken down to its component parts, and as my interest lies in construction... id basicly be reverse engineering one for fun... i could even make a comparison between yours, and mine (in the long run). and to be honest... thats the only reason id want it... to break it up.
none of which you have posted pictures of as yet i dont think. then perhaps i could critique them in the same manner you have my work i.e. from pictures with in your case no specific knowledge of the weapon type.
sadly, this is true.
my blades so far have been my own buisness im sorry to say. the reason for which, should you care. is that im trying to make a buisness from selling them. and i have no camera. ive had to pay out £1700 for a radius master, £2000 for custom bands, and £750 for a coote in the last few months, and as such cant afford the £800 camera i want for photographing them.
so instead of playing about with forums, and such things. im focusing on getting the workshop up to a production level, making blanks ready for sale, and getting training (dragonfly (another £2k), and practice). when im done with that... the hard bit. i'll be getting a camera, and finishing off a set of blades to photo and put on the newly made site. also... pass around blades for review. with everything else going on, photo's for a forum are the least of my worries. lol
but i have tried to take a pic for this occasion to mark my point. although its on a borrowed webcam. i didnt put any effort into it because its not worth it. i might make it into a proper blade at some point, and then not only can you see it... i'll post it to you for scrutiny. you can then send it to whomever for them to look at, ad infinitum.
i also havent commented on their quality. ive simply stated that you havent made them, merely assembled them, with SLIGHT moddification. and said that i wouldnt comment until id taken one apart.
well... he wasnt commenting on your sai swords. i never even came close to saying so. he was commenting on stock removing a blade from hardened steel using a grinder, and hand tools... which he has a mass of experience with.... so y'know... THATS how its relivent. i didnt even mention your sword things untill i had to reply about them, or reference them after you have... check my posts... not a word said until YOU mention them.