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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:21 am

well geordie you aint going to be dissapointed thats for sure the only thing is ive got
the gear so its about time i learned to use the camera properly and took some
decent pictures of my blades

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Re: tanto,s

Postby Moon » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:31 pm

the blade master wrote:i belive the reverse blade tanto with a folded steel blade as has the gold one real name could be either the
(bokuwari or kubikri tanto which i belive translates to head cutter i.e. it was used by the samurai,s retainers to
remove the heads from the dead samurai as war trophies) dot // moon will correct me if im wrong i hope the
other two altho equally nicely done seem to be just standard tanto,s alltho the gold one dose have a beautifly
folded blade the bohi has a unusual style blade any one know what it is here,s the pics

Does the reverse blade have a rounded blunt tip or is it pointed like a karambit Mick?
The hi on the bottom blade doesn't look particularly unusual and I think it's called naginata-hi with soe-hi as seen on many unokubi-zukuri katana like the one you have but just like everything else in Japanese blade terminology, there are so many styles and variables with no absolutes, especially for tanto, that you shouldn't take my words as fact. ;)
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:35 am

yes moon it has a very sharp pointed tip
i can do a macro close up if you wish
or check out the tanto's post in your collections
there a better pic there for you
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Re: tanto,s

Postby Geordie Ross » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:44 am

The white tachi looks great next to the gold plated koto mick, you've got quite the collection now
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:57 am

aye its not bad eh what ive decided to do is quality over quantity
so now all of my musashi's masahiro some ryumons and a few others
not including my mid to high end chens are now gone to others just starting
in collecting katanas my knife collection is staying as is no way is that going
so on display are the koto's plus a few (ryumons im not allowed to part with
as there stainless steel) first quality hand forged clay temperd real ?hamon
bought before the ban so are legal to own/keep did have 50 plus kats at one time
but the whole thing was becoming ridiculasly unmanginable so cut backs were made
before cut backs were made in me by she who must be obeyd lol
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Re: tanto,s

Postby Moon » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:02 pm

the blade master wrote:yes moon it has a very sharp pointed tip
i can do a macro close up if you wish
or check out the tanto's post in your collections
there a better pic there for you

No need Mick, looks like your 'head cutter' isn't an authentic reproduction if it has a kissaki...

http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/unji.htm

..sorry.
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:04 pm

hi moon theres no kissaki(as i know one)just a continuous hamon from the habaki to the tip of the blade

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Re: tanto,s

Postby Moon » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:31 pm

the blade master wrote:hi moon theres no kissaki(as i know one)just a continuous hamon from the habaki to the tip of the blade

Kissaki just means 'point of a blade' Mick. ;)

This is from another site which the rules won't allow a link to...

KUBIKIRI TANTO
(BOKUWARI or HANAKIRI TANTO)
The Kubikiri tanto dated from the Meiji to early Showa eras. It is a period when most sword makers and koshirae artists had little work making traditional swords. The term “kubikiri” is traditionally translated as “head cutter”. The kubikiri (kubigiri) is a Japanese tanto with an unusual form. The cutting edge on a kubikiri is on the inside curvature (extreme uchi-sori) while most are of the kiri-ha shape and have no kissaki (point).
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:43 pm

hi moon ive read that info again and now see where i went wrong sorry about that guys naturaly i read about reverse blade tanto
put two and two together and came up with six sorry about the screw up mind you the info on this forum (what happened to your tanto)didnt help much either

http://forums.dfoggknives.com/index.php?showtopic=7639

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Re: tanto,s

Postby Moon » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:14 pm

the blade master wrote:hi moon ive read that info again and now see where i went wrong sorry about that guys naturaly i read about reverse blade tanto
put two and two together and came up with six sorry about the screw up

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You haven't screwed up Mick, it's interesting.
There are some sword styles like shobu zukuri that have no yokote line but the tip is still called the kissaki.
I haven't been able to find an authentic one like yours but they must have been made, otherwise the sites I've looked at wouldn't have said that most had no kissaki which means that some did.
I can only guess that it was still called a kubukiri with something tagged on to denote that it had a kissaki maybe, just like a kozuka which is only the name for the decorative handle but when it holds a blade it's kozuka-no-ho (kozuka with 'point') but don't go betting the farm on it. :D

This is the type that has a blunt kinda rounded end http://yakiba.com/nata.htm
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:18 pm

hi moon check out the link i posted above and you,ll see where i fluffed it

i like his discription tho (nutball cutting device) lols
mick

geordie it looks like that reprofiled mount fuji elite i did for you has got an historical presedence
after all check out shobu zukuri
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Re: tanto,s

Postby Dotanuki2K » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:07 am

Mick,
you have got to remember there really no absolutes in any of this. The historical examples shown are all peacetime examples of the kubikiri blade. They refer to wartime examples as mythical.
Which means they currently have no real examples to go by and are just speculating.
Many martial traditions are secretive and do not allow many of their ancient and cherished weapons used by their ancestors to be viewed by the general public. As a result most of these historical compilations are often incomplete and things that might have existed are put down to myth and legend or even exageration. This is especially true in the Orient where family traditions are so faithfully preserved to the exclusion of public records.
Tomorrow someone's grandfather might die and the family members who no longer adhere to the traditions of the past show their grandfather's collection of weapons never before seen by the modern world.
If you look at things logically, a real kubikiri would have to be more akin to a cleaver, as opposed to a reverse blade tanto to effectively remove a head fast and effectively in battlefield conditions. Just my opinion here.
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Re: tanto,s

Postby the blade master » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:31 am

thanks for the insight and explanation dot it gose a long way to explain things for me
cheers mick
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