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Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:33 pm
by Moon
Is it 1045 or 1060? :S

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:35 pm
by Maynar
Use plain rubbing alcohol (from the chemist, cheap) to remove the oil and yes, Blade Master is correct, that's WAAY too much oil. Clean it off and when you re-apply oil, put it on the cloth, not directly on the blade. Easier to control the amount. My rule of thumb is, if you can see the oil on the blade, it's too much. If you put too much on, wipe with a dry cloth. You can't see it any more, but it's still there.

Also you don't need to oil every week. Inspect? Sure. But I rarely oil, I live in a fairly humid climate, and I have no rust problems.If I use the blade for backyard cutting then yes, wipe after every cut, clean and oil before putting it away or rust will appear very quickly.

Hope that helps. :)

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:05 pm
by Moon
Maynar wrote: My rule of thumb is, if you can see the oil on the blade, it's too much. If you put too much on, wipe with a dry cloth. You can't see it any more, but it's still there.
+1. ;)
I've never used Ren' wax either - suggest using that stuff to collectors on a Nihonto forum and you won't have to wait long to be insulted...big time. :D

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:17 pm
by Geordie Ross
Moon wrote:
Maynar wrote: My rule of thumb is, if you can see the oil on the blade, it's too much. If you put too much on, wipe with a dry cloth. You can't see it any more, but it's still there.
+1. ;)
I've never used Ren' wax either - suggest using that stuff to collectors on a Nihonto forum and you won't have to wait long to be insulted...big time. :D
:shocked: blasphemy! Why is ren wax frowned upon?

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:21 pm
by the blade master
prefer just using the oil now just use the ren wax mostly on polished brass to stop it tarnishing
so quickly

geordie i dont think the samurai of old had owt like ren wax just choji oil and yet some of there swords are pristine condition
and over 4 to 6 hundred years old i may have this wrong but i do belive ren wax was only intended to be used on old swords
and such to help them stop detierating any further not the new steel (but of course i well may be wrong)just my opinion for whats its worth

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:33 pm
by Geordie Ross
Ren wax has kept my tori xl in mint condition for 2 years. I have nothing but praise for it.

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:24 pm
by Moon
Geordie Ross wrote:
Moon wrote: +1. ;)
I've never used Ren' wax either - suggest using that stuff to collectors on a Nihonto forum and you won't have to wait long to be insulted...big time. :D
:shocked: blasphemy! Why is ren wax frowned upon?
Probably because it can only be removed completely with a solvent and solvents can seriously damage real Nihonto when trapped in the micropores of the steel when another coat of oil is applied, I recall it being listed as not being suitable for blades with a true hamon for this reason and also why '3 in 1' and 'WD40' etc. should be avoided like Newcastle city centre on a Saturday night. :D

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:04 pm
by froller2
Maynar wrote:Use plain rubbing alcohol (from the chemist, cheap) to remove the oil and yes, Blade Master is correct, that's WAAY too much oil. Clean it off and when you re-apply oil, put it on the cloth, not directly on the blade. Easier to control the amount. My rule of thumb is, if you can see the oil on the blade, it's too much. If you put too much on, wipe with a dry cloth. You can't see it any more, but it's still there.

Also you don't need to oil every week. Inspect? Sure. But I rarely oil, I live in a fairly humid climate, and I have no rust problems.If I use the blade for backyard cutting then yes, wipe after every cut, clean and oil before putting it away or rust will appear very quickly.

Hope that helps. :)
yea i did clean it and re-oil it (with less oil) oh and do you know if chinese/roman swords needs oiling etc?

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:06 pm
by the blade master
if its carbom steel yes

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:12 pm
by Moon
froller2 wrote: yea i did clean it and re-oil it (with less oil) oh and do you know if chinese/roman swords needs oiling etc?
All swords need oiling except for stainless steel wall hangers like Mick said.

BTW
I'll ask again...is the 'fenghuang' 1045 or 1060?

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:21 pm
by froller2
Moon wrote:
froller2 wrote: yea i did clean it and re-oil it (with less oil) oh and do you know if chinese/roman swords needs oiling etc?
All swords need oiling except for stainless steel wall hangers like Mick said.

BTW
I'll ask again...is the 'fenghuang' 1045 or 1060?
1060 folded:)

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:33 pm
by Moon
froller2 wrote:

1060 folded:)
How do you know it's 1060?

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:46 pm
by the blade master
and dont say because i told you ive been wrong before some sites i use arnt allways right the main uk importer says its 1045 the manufacturers site says somthing different
so who is right??? all i can say for sure its folded steel

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:55 am
by Moon
the blade master wrote:and dont say because i told you ive been wrong before some sites i use arnt allways right the main uk importer says its 1045 the manufacturers site says somthing different
so who is right??? all i can say for sure its folded steel
Exactly Mick and this has always been a problem for me.
Some sites state this, that and whatever but nobody except the manufacturer really knows what the steel is or what style of lamination (if any) is used in the production.
If I was a manufacturer, I could claim that my blades are forged from tamahagane in the soshu kitae style and nobody could refute my claim without an expensive and thorough expert metallurgical analysis of the blade.
Take a look at these examples people and can any one of us identify which style is which even if we had the sections of blades in hand?

http://legacyswords.com/nihontoCS/crosssections.htm

I doubt it very much. :|

Re: fenghuang katana

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:30 am
by the blade master
after looking at those pics moon i can see your point :S