are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at top

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are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at top

Postby spellmad2003 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:58 am

if you were going to buy a top end katana at some point would you be better geting it from japan or are ones in china just has good useing the same steel etc.




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Sword Type: Shinken (Razor Sharp Katana)
Sword Weight: 1.1kilo = 2lbs 4oz without bohi, with bo hi 2lbs (Without Saya)
Overall: 104cm/40inch with Saya (Scabbard)
Nagasa (Blade length): 28.4/29/ 30inch -respectively
Tsuka (Handle length): 10.6/11/ 11.5inch -respectively
Kasane (Thickness): 9/32" (at Habaki)
Blade Made: SkyJiro Forge’s Tamahagane
Hand Forged & Folded from Pure Iron Carbonized Sand - Kobuse Construction with Folded Iron Core & 10000 Layers
Yaki (Hardness): SkyJiro Forge’s Superior Differential Clay Technique (Traditional Japanese Method )
Blade Polish: SkyJiro Forge’s Superior Hand-Mirror Polish, with Japanese Water Stone and Finger Stone Finish
Kanagu (Tsuba/Fuchi/Kashira/ Menuki): SkyJiro Forge’s Premium Bronze
Habaki/Seppas: Skyjiro Forge’s Real Pure Silver vermeil over Bronze
Samé: Premium Sting Ray Skin
Tsuka Ito/Sageo: Premium Japanese Pure Silk
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2x Mekugi: Premium Bamboo Wood
Saya (Scabbard): Premium Water Buffalo-Horn with Ray Skin Scabbard
Special Note: "Highest Quality ever produced" Fully Functional Hand-Made Pure Tamahagane Folded Steel Sword with Genuine Japanese Hamon, Traditional japanese technique Kobuse Construction & Razor Sharp Ha (Edge).
These swords are guaranteed to cut Tatami! & Bamboo

Sword Name : TAKA (HAWK)
Craftsmanship/Design Grade : [Shihan/Collector Grade]
Proof of Authenticity : SF's Authentic Certificate & SkyJiro Signature on Nakago
Blade made : SkyJiro Forge’s Folded Tamahagane - Hand Forged from Pure Iron Carbonized Sand
(Kobuse Construction with Folded Iron Core 10000 Layer)
Yaki : SkyJiro Forge’s Superior Differential Clay Technique (Traditional Japanese Method )
Blade Polish : SkyJiro Forge’s Superior Hand-Mirror Polish, with Japanese Water Stone and Superior Finger Stone Finish


this monster has a price tag of £4,500. it just puzzles me but for the price can you get one from japan for the same price and if so would they be better made or would they be on a par not right clued up on the top end stuff.

i would not mind a sword made from Tamahagane one day :).

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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby Geordie Ross » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:48 pm

Yea, we all want a tamahagane katana lol, you can certainly get them cheaper than 4.5k. I've not heard of skyjiro before, I'd imagine mick or moon could tell you a bit more about them, but you could probably get a decent nihonto for around £4,500.
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby Moon » Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:53 pm

Geordie Ross wrote:Yea, we all want a tamahagane katana lol, you can certainly get them cheaper than 4.5k. I've not heard of skyjiro before, I'd imagine mick or moon could tell you a bit more about them, but you could probably get a decent nihonto for around £4,500.

The only really good reviews posted on SBG and SFI forums seem to have come from the company itself posing as satisfied customers, personally, I would never pay £4.5k for a katana made in China because it'll probably lose 30% of what was paid as soon as you take delivery of it regardless of how good it may be, whereas a documented Japanese blade gives provenence to exactly what you're getting and it can only appreciate in value.
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Postby Geordie Ross » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:23 pm

Yea I agree, if you're going to spend near 5 grand for a katana you really want to get it with certification, nintei-sho or kantei-sho.
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby spellmad2003 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:54 pm

thanks for clearing that up buy from japan.

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Postby Geordie Ross » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:08 pm

In short, buy authentic antique blades, if you have the money of course, 4.5k is hardly back pocket change lol
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby pjm » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:11 pm

its reallt a no brainer in my opinion, if the chinese one is 4.5k and the japanese one is also 4.5k why would you even consider the chinese made one over the japanese made one

but then my opinion dont count for much lol
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby gooseman » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:58 am

Gentlemen
not to flog a dead horse, but you could get a Nihonto for that money, if you want to "use" the sword buy Japanese newly forged(wait time a year or two)
this Katana was about $5K it's 1668 papered as Nobuyuki, and was fully furnished.
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Postby Geordie Ross » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:49 am

Oh now that's just showing off lol my blood boils with jealousy.
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby the blade master » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:32 pm

why you asking how many Geordie thinking of breaking in lols be carefull ive seen gooses shooting irons big buggers too :D
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Postby Geordie Ross » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:07 pm

Burgle gooseman? [???] Pissing into the wind comes to mind lol, it'd probably be easier to ambush the SAS
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Postby pjm » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:52 pm

would be safer to to ambush the SAS
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby the blade master » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:45 pm

chicken :>
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby gooseman » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:52 am

to answer how many
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Re: are the japan steel swords better than the china ones at

Postby Mellony » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:10 pm

What kind of insurance value (in case of theft / fire etc) have you put on those Goose? (If any)

Just curious as ive just had to insure my collection for £15k (My Insurance Company made me declare them or they would not pay out for "Collections" over 5k - retarded!) So i now have to pay a few extra quid a month on my contents insurance!
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